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Abortion
Lately I've seen on tv that many countries are debating about Abortion. It is not legal in many South American countries, for example. So now there is a huge debate about it. The most liberal parties and the feminist sector want it to be legal. Of course, the most religious and conservative parties dont accept it by any means. I was wondering was is your opinion about it? Specially as women and as women TTC...?
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A woman has the full right to an abortion. Because if a girl becomes pregnant at 16 and can not support a child, then why should she break her youth and the life of her unborn child. I understand that there are many women who dream about a child but can not get pregnant. And they often condemn those who do abortions. I do not want to offend anyone. But you do not need to tell people what to do with their body and their future. Of course, it would be better to devote more time to the sexual education of adolescents, then abortion would be less. Another, if you prohibit abortion, many women will cripple themselves trying to make an abortion at home.
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Hi dsvc, welcome to the forum. Thank you for this new thread, @Lilly08. I agree with you @dsvc. Although I still didn't make my mind about abortion, I think each person should be able to decide on their body. The dilemma starts if we consider that the embryo can't decide.. and if we consider the embryo as a person,, then his or her rights should be respected too. I found it a very tricky and complicated issue...
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Agree with you, girls. It is also hard to understand or accept abortion for us -people with infertility problems - because we know the pain of a miscarriage or an unsuccessful IVF. I used to envy those people who have the luxury of undergoing abortion. But I can't ignore the fact that a woman who decides to abort is also struggling and suffering. It is hard to make a decision or to take a side
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I also agree with all of you as It totally depends on women that what she wants ........... It's completely her decision.No one else has a right to decide about this crucial matter.............. I know that abortion done by one lady is like something very awwwweeee for another woman who suffers from infertility but It is someone's personal decision. It's not only about abortion, It's about women's right. In today's world, a woman is completely free to take her own decision.Good luck girls and thanks for creating such an interesting thread........
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Have women profited from abortion legality? Someone has profited, but not the woman who undergoes an abortion. The abortion industry makes about $500 million per year, and the sale of unborn children’s parts could push that figure into the billions. The average woman does not gain, but loses, when she has an abortion. She loses first the hundreds of dollars cash she must pay to receive the surgery. Second, she must undergo a humiliating procedure, an invasion deeper than rape, as the interior of her uterus is crudely vacuumed to remove every scrap of life. Some women will be haunted by the sound of that vacuum the rest of their lives. Third, she can lose her health. A woman’s body is a delicately balanced ecology, not meant to have its natural, healthy process disrupted by invasive machinery. In addition to the women who are punctured or killed on abortion tables, there are more subtly damaging effects. The opening of the uterus, the cervix, is designed to open gradually over several days at the end of a pregnancy. In an abortion, the cervix is wrenched open in a matter of minutes. The delicate muscle fibers can be damaged — damage that may go unnoticed until she is far into a later, wanted pregnancy and the muscles give way in a miscarriage. While the cervix can be opened, the uterus was never intended to be vacuumed. Nicks and scratches can cause scarring which may lead to endometriosis. But if those scars are near the fallopian tubes, the openings can be partly obliterated. Tiny sperm can swim in and fertilize the egg, but the fertilized egg, hundreds of times larger than a sperm, cannot pass back through into the uterus. The fertilized egg can implant and grow in a tube until the child’s size reaches the tube’s limit; if the condition is not diagnosed, the tube explodes, the child dies and the mother may die
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Hi Lily, What really made you ask a question of that sensitive nature? I doubt that it was only because you watched it on tv in passing. And the other thing is that, you did not tell us your opinion around the debate. Are you not sure? Or are you just afraid to be judged? Well, I am not, either. In fact, I have made discussions on the topic at length with my friend (she's the only sensible one who shares my opinion.) I won't give you a lecture on my opinion so that you also like it. Simply stated: The first thing I want to see before my days are over, are WOMEN BEING GRANTED THE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS everywhere. In the newspapers and on air. Yes, that's it!
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Abortion is killing. My personal opinion is that. I don't know whether I am part of those feminist groups. Or it makes me a part of those religious groups. I just know that someone gives there whole life just to conceive a baby. The other people have the blessing and drop it just because they don't want it. How mean it is. I have no words for the people courage who does it. It's really very problematic for me. I don't think abortion is good. It should never be legalized. I think the one who does it must be punished. As he killed the life. He has to be punished. In my opinion it should never be legalized. That is it.
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Hi @Shimona, how have you been? It’s great reading you again. That’s a good point. It’s true that for women who suffer of infertility, abortion seems like waste of something so precious. However, the woman who wants to abort is not responsible for our own issues. It’s her right to decide about her body. Then there is the religious view of seeing the embryo as an alive being with a soul. I really find it so hard to choose. Both arguments sound convincing to me. What do you think, girls?
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Hi@gracee Good to read you again too! You pointed out something very interesting that no one talks about. The relation between profit and the abortion clandestine clinics. Also about the procedure itself, which is really hard and painful. Thank you for sharing such a detailed message. Hi@Iasbel.. You are right. I began to think about it again because of the “me too” campaigns and feminism protests as well as tv debates. I definitely agree that women should have the reproductive rights. I didn’t make a decision because it’s not a simple topic. I feel it’s very complex and I couldn’t manage to choose something that really made me feel comfortable. Maybe I should read more and think more about it :S
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HI @Rachel42 welcome to the forum! Thank you for your opinion too. That’s a good point too. See?This is why I can’t make my mind to choose one option or another. I’d like that governments would allow it by Law. But I’d prefer women don’t have to abort. Does this make any sense? I’d like to see more opinion, ladies. What do you think? Also.. do you think that abortions rate would increase if it become allowed? It would be interesting to know your point of views x
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Hey all! I’m feeling such a hard pain. I’m afraid I can’t be objective in general. Thinking of abortion hurts. All my money and efforts are devoted to bring me a baby. I can’t start but these are the other things. I didn’t have abortion on my own. I’m infertile. I support those who forbid such a procedure. I want to share one my notice. I was on one forum. The most part of it is about girls who got pregnant in 14-17 years. They aren’t ready to give birth. What are they at all ready for? They didn’t mind to have a sex. It’s like they didn’t know what sex could bring. They want debating like adults. Their young minds already have opinion. Better than others they believe in reasonableness of abortion. Sure, a baby will impact on their probable careers. They’ll lose time for entertainment. They will have to sacrifice many things. I just imagine one simple thing. I crave being at their situation. Yes, I want being 15 years old girl with belly. It doesn’t matter whether I got a man or husband. Now I understand I would be coping with this with a pleasure. If it was so I might be happy. I never have arguments with these girls. I’m just disabled in comparison with them. I don’t want to hear suddenly that I merely can’t understand. Nobody wants to hear it from 14 years old person.
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It’s so controversial. Hello dear! Hi to all people of this thread! I hope we’ve got useful time not only having fun. Such issue was like especially made for disputing. No matter which religion you belong to. No matter who you are at the social status range. It disturbs us all over and all the time. Of course, I’m as a woman who TTC obliged to protect interest against abortion. I madly want to become a mother. Reasonably I vote for pregnancy and natural delivery. Actually I accept delivery of any forms. I myself suffer very much. Just one idea I can’t carry a baby makes me despaired. I fight such heavy thoughts. They don’t bring anything positive. Anyway I am not against abortion. I daily do whatever in order to get my parenthood closer. However, I’m not battling for this ban. I remember my life before that damn surgery. The day before my uterus was removed I had been pregnant. We expected for a baby. Unfortunately, everything went wrong. I was ready to take responsibility. I was going to become a mother. But what was that a few years before my readiness? I loved my spare time. I was traveling and having much fun. I hardy could swap my lifestyles. I was a life of freedom. There wasn’t a room in my heart for parenthood. Actually I don’t swear but perhaps I would apply for abortion. I’d do it in case I was pregnant unexpectedly. Today it’s weird to hear. I may judge people. Today I possess that right. I’m kidding. No one has this sick right. People are up to choose. Oh, if we’re starting to analyze it… When we think about poor ones inside we start feeling shame and fear. I don’t want to digest it aloud. I don’t tend to get stress at first opportunity. Sure, think about your responsibility. Don’t be promiscuous as for sexual relations. Love and raise your sweet children!
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Well it's really bad for you. What type of accident it was. Why it left you infertile. Were you pregnant at that time. I am really sorry for this dear. You know it's really a bad thing to suffer. I wish I could do something for you besides sympathy and suggestions. I just want you to try surrogacy. You can come to the clinic where I am under treatment. It's in Ukraine. I am very much satisfied with the services. I wish everything would be fine for you. They have very good service in every regard. You can visit once. than you can take your final decision. It's all up to you.
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I think it should not be allowed. No one should be given to take the life of anyone even if it is a small child. If you are not ready for a child then make sure you take the important precautions. It is definitely a sensitive topic to talk about but it's about a life. There are certain countries where you can abort at a very early age when the baby hasn't formed. I think that is still better. Other than it is everyone's opinion and we cant say much. Sending baby dust.
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Hey. I believe that abortion should be legal. Some women get raped. The child is not with whom they hoped it'd be with. It is against their will. And in positions like these it should be legal. Other than that women fooling around having it unprotected. I don't think they should get abortion for that. they are knowingly going into something they know results negatively. Not everything deserves an easy get out.
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There has to be the two-sided picture of everything. For me being a TTC woman I am just so devasted when I even hear about MC. This is a natural thing. And no one is responsible for this thing. But I have deep thoughts for the women who had MC. How could they cope with this situation? Similarly, abortion is a huge thing. I had a friend that I met infertility clinic and she had to do abortion. Because there were certain abnormalities going with the baby, And hence the doctor suggested her to had an abortion. The pain that I felt in her eyes was just unexplainable. I lost the words. And the other side of the picture says that what if women have left with no other option than that. So you have look at both sides.
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I also think that we should never do it. Just try to think about it. It's taking someone's life. Is it ever good? The answer is no. Because this is not a way to deal with some problems. The people should never go for it. It's just bad.
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Hi there. I hope you are doing fine. I read your post. I think it is your right to do so. You wouldn't want your kid to born when you can't provide them the best childhood. Maybe you are not that ready. It is totally your decision. Take care.
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Hi there. I hope you are doing fine. I read your post. I think it is your right to do so. You wouldn't want your kid to born when you can't provide them the best childhood. Maybe you are not that ready. It is totally your decision. Take care.
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Hi there. I hope you are doing fine. I read your post. I think it is your right to do so. You wouldn't want your kid to born when you can't provide them the best childhood. Maybe you are not that ready. It is totally your decision. Take care.
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Hi there. I hope you are doing fine. I read your post. I think it is your right to do so. You wouldn't want your kid to born when you can't provide them the best childhood. Maybe you are not that ready. It is totally your decision. Take care.
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Hi there. I hope you are doing fine. I read your post. I think it is your right to do so. You wouldn't want your kid to born when you can't provide them the best childhood. Maybe you are not that ready. It is totally your decision. Take care.

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